From fnaumann@mail.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Tue May 18 22:49:17 2004 Message-ID: <40AA7542.7080805@lutece.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:42:42 +0200 From: Francois LE COAT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mintlist Subject: Re: [MiNT] extensions References: <20040513070104.BB29B4184@zulawy.gabo.pl> <1084436133.10576.1.camel@joy.sophics> <006301c43bb9$a3387030$f80963d9@blaszak> <1084772967.11850.1.camel@joy.sophics> <010f01c43c1f$820a43a0$ef0d63d9@blaszak> <1084808398.11847.46.camel@joy.sophics> <40A9E113.6060508@lutece.net> <073e01c43cd0$ca4c5200$0b01a8c0@goldwein.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Delivered-To: mint@fishpool.com Delivered-To: mint@lists.fishpool.fi X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Errors-to: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi X-original-sender: lecoat@lutece.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-ID: X-List-ID: Hi STan, Standa Opichal wrote: > Sorry, but I don't share this idea at all. Konrad was true while writing > that a real _user_ application would make the platform more interesting. > No development tool would really create more interrest in the platform > itself. Only common user applications could have done that. But the time > has gone away IMO and now only `addicted tweaking hackers' remained here > and use this weird old stuff (like me ;)). I don't agree this assumption. You know that the ATARI platform was always at the origin of large new projects. It always has been cheap and easy to build great project ideas. Did you forgot that many starting programmers were on the ATARI platform. Cubase and many musical applications, Cyber Studio at the origin of 3DS Max from Tom Hudson, Calamus that we are all knowing, the GFA Basic that is still present on many platforms. That is without telling about that huge amount of games and the first 3D game that was called "Alone in the Dark". I'm not telling also that the ATARI platform has had all the known programming languages, for all variety of programmers. All these potentialities spread out in the actual programming world. But you know that such projects can't still be maintained by a single developer on other machines. The world of computing is not at the level of a single person. The future with software patents is not a happy perspective ... Can we still maintain a level passion with the ATARI platform ? I personally think affirmative about this, if the ATARI world that I described to you still maintains its philosophy. > So.. maybe a new dev tool would be the killer app? ;)) I'm constantly > preparing the background to play with componental desktop app. But it is > long distance trip to go there... Ho yes that's not easy. Gildor talked about QED that could be used with GCC compiler. There's French tools like EZ_EDIT or GCC Shell that could be improved. You know that Gygwin now have a graphical debugger based on its X11 server. I used some years ago a graphical environment for GDB that was called "xxgdb" that is quite portable. The ATARI community should care about this ... No killer app without killer development environments. That's a sensitive part for me ... >>Yes I agree, that new IDE should be made. I think that it will be posibble >>to do some gem interface to gdb and to do some modifications to qed to have >>basicly friendly enough development environment. >>Are there any flaws in this idea (except classical "who'll do that")? >>Gildor Yes Gildor. You're talking sensible ... Best regards, -- François LE COAT Author of Eureka 2.12 (2D Graph Describer, 3D Modeller) http://eureka.atari.org