From fnaumann@mail.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Fri Sep 24 11:45:35 2004 Message-ID: <4153ECBC.4040300@lutece.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:45:32 +0200 From: Francois LE COAT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MiNT Mailing List Subject: Re: [MiNT] Current Binaries References: <4153432C.2010003@lutece.net> <4153DA74.9060708@lutece.net> <1096015330.1505.26.camel@joy.sophics> In-Reply-To: <1096015330.1505.26.camel@joy.sophics> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Delivered-To: mint@fishpool.com Delivered-To: mint@lists.fishpool.fi X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Errors-to: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi X-original-sender: lecoat@lutece.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-ID: X-List-ID: X-Milter: ClamAV 0.70/0.70kjel X-Milter: milter-regex 1.5jel X-Milter: ClamAV 0.70/0.70kjel X-Milter: milter-regex 1.5jel Hi Petr, Petr Stehlik wrote: > Francois LE COAT píše: > >>system ... All the required tools are useless to a common ATARI >>developer, and unknown to a common ATARI machine owner >>(administrator) ... You should understand that ! > > Well, too strong words IMHO. In fact the GCC suite _is_ available to > anyone (contrary to say PureC or Lattice C). The GCC is even available > for free. I know you have to get enough RAM and disk space but if you > got the hardware then it is possible to check out the CVS and build the > binaries. I managed to do that so others could do that as well - perhaps > with bit of help from the community. Of course that when too many people > start asking for GCC help it's easier to provide the binaries > (semi-)automatically. You're right Petr. Access to latest freeMiNT requires the right soft and hardware ... But furthermore it requires knowledge of the building tools, terminal console usage, tricks because the Makefile doesn't work right away ... A user or administrator of the freeMiNT OS doesn't need all this hardware or knowledge ... There's a real gap ! Anyone is not a freeMiNT guru, so long as there are people that could be guru here ... >>That's why a binary snapshot of your work is really required ! > > It's not *required* (you can't require anything from a volunteer) but it > would be useful for faster and better user feedback that in turn could > speed up the development. Not only speedup the development, but make it available. *Required* is not a real strong word. I'm trying to convince Frank ... Some people from the list are ready to do the job. That's what I understood. >>That can't wait for the irregular freeMiNT's kernel release ... >>Your work can't be only available to a happy fews ! > > I happen to know Francois from ARAnyM list and so I believe that you > can't read this the way it might sound (offending? :). At this point of the talk, it is really not offending for anyone. Thanks Petr. You're a kind person. Keep going ! Best regards, -- François LE COAT Author of Eureka 2.12 (2D Graph Describer, 3D Modeller) http://eureka.atari.org