From mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Thu Jul 14 22:31:13 2005 X-Original-To: fnaumann@mail.boerde.de Delivered-To: fnaumann@mail.boerde.de DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZI1+2rdeVyFAswLOyvNtX5FKdXJCS/MPRDMTquReo8nqqm1hhX7jKhlELlHhUVw9e9vt45ZqUiiojHaqorH16axYSWk7/JdN8N5aMAyhdFE2LWQ9Mya6Q5x4R4E8U+ZnuIu6aRLlKUHUINgJxJ6KwqmeXc3UBODf0dD/9DUZRPU= ; Message-ID: <20050714202814.97300.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Frederic Fouche Subject: Re: [MiNT] Re[3]: usage of wind_calc() To: Evan Langlois Cc: mint In-Reply-To: <1121372199.16044.33.camel@taro.coolrunningconcepts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1494052093-1121372894=:96946" X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Errors-To: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi X-original-sender: x130844@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-Id: X-List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at relay.boerde.de X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on relay.boerde.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.1 tagged_above=-50.5 required=7.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_WEBMAIL_END_NUMS6, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: **** --0-1494052093-1121372894=:96946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geez, here we go again.=20 =20 How do you run applications written in 1992 for win95 in windows XP? most of them won't work, even with the attempt of the emulation layer. MA= NY apps won't work. =20 Vice versa, How do you run a new app written for windows XP in windows 9= 5? =20 As far as linux, you must be kidding, they changed SO MANY times their li= bs that their apps needs to be recompiled all the time. Thank god for the= source and compiler to be available. And STILL, some need rewrite for ne= wer kernels and different distributions sometimes. =20 The only reason someone would need to reboot and run magic, is if that ap= ps ONLY behaves correctly in magic, or singletos whatever the case may be= . For newer applications only working on xaaes (future releases), same thin= g, if someone needs to use it, they will have to restart the machine to l= oad xaaes.=20 =20 Am I missing something here? =20 Your comment about windows XP, linux and osX is just a lie.=20 Apps have to be tailored to those OS, otherwise they won't work right.=20 =20 This thread is hard enough to follow and come to an agreement at the end = to make something worthwhile, please try not to pollute it with lies, tha= t just agravates people and lengthen the process for no reason.=20 Please don't tell me I'm insane, no profanity needed. Evan Langlois wrote: On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 12:23 -0700, Frederic Fouche wrote: > Do you understand that your request is utopistic? No it isn't. I don't have to reboot my Linux box to run different programs. Most people running Windows XP might have to reboot for a system upgrade, but the vast majority of users aren't frequently rebooting, nor does changing applications require a reboot. > How do you explain that big coorporations and thousands of developers > are not able to create the thing you wish? and consider that their You are insane! The three major operating systems out there, XP, Linux, and OS X, all run fine without some boot selector forcing the user to switch to another OS version for compatibility with different applications.=20 > customers are MUCH more important than the Atari user base (money > wise). They get PISSED everytime they have to upgrade, for every > upgrade (as tiny as it is), they have to test it for months to make Pissed to upgrade? People are pissed when they have to pay for an upgrade to fix bugs, but I upgrade things frequently. Linux changes so frequently that upgrades are common and often. In Gentoo linux, you can upgrade as often as you wish, even daily. emerge -u world And the whole system is upgraded! No need for a reboot unless you recompile your kernel and wish to run the new one, which is only as frequent as you desire - normally when some hardware driver is introduced that you wish to use that isn't in your current kernel tree, and many drivers are outside the kernel and so you can recompile them and autoload the driver without a reboot. > sure it is not going to break something else. The testing phase cost > them MUCHO money everytime. It might make you feel better to believe that the rest of the world has to jump through hoops to run a new application, but that simply isn't the case. > Show me an OS in the world that fulfill your requirements. XP, OS X, Linux And hopefully MiNT+XaAES very soon. =09 --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page=20 --0-1494052093-1121372894=:96946 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geez, here we go again.
 
How do you run applications written in 1992 for win95 in windows XP?=
most of them won't work, even with the attempt of the emulation laye= r. MANY apps won't work.
 
Vice versa,  How do you run a new app written for windows XP in= windows 95?
 
As far as linux, you must be kidding, they changed SO MANY times the= ir libs that their apps needs to be recompiled all the time. Thank god fo= r the source and compiler to be available. And STILL, some need rewrite f= or newer kernels and different distributions sometimes.
 
The only reason someone would need to reboot and run magic, is if th= at apps ONLY behaves correctly in magic, or singletos whatever the case m= ay be.
For newer applications only working on xaaes (future releases), same= thing, if someone needs to use it, they will have to restart the machine= to load xaaes.
 
Am I missing something here?
 
Your comment about windows XP, linux and osX is just a lie.
Apps have to be tailored to those OS, otherwise they won't work righ= t.
 
This thread is hard enough to follow and come to an agreement at the= end to make something worthwhile, please try not to pollute it with lies= , that just agravates people and lengthen the proce= ss for no reason.
Please don't tell me I'm insane, no profanity needed.

Evan Langlois <Evan@CoolRunningConcepts.com>= wrote:
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 12:23 -0700, Freder= ic Fouche wrote:
> Do you understand that your request is utopistic= ?

No it isn't. I don't have to reboot my Linux box to run differen= t
programs. Most people running Windows XP might have to reboot for a<= BR>system upgrade, but the vast majority of users aren't frequently
re= booting, nor does changing applications require a reboot.

> How= do you explain that big coorporations and thousands of developers
>= ; are not able to create the thing you wish? and consider that their
<= BR>You are insane! The three major operating systems out there, XP, Linux= ,
and OS X, all run fine without some boot selector forcing the user t= o
switch to another OS version for compatibility with different
app= lications.

> customers are MUCH more important than the Atari = user base (money
> wise). They get PISSED everytime they have to upgrade, for every
> upgrade (as tiny as it= is), they have to test it for months to make

Pissed to upgrade? P= eople are pissed when they have to pay for an
upgrade to fix bugs, but= I upgrade things frequently. Linux changes so
frequently that upgrade= s are common and often. In Gentoo linux, you can
upgrade as often as y= ou wish, even daily.

emerge -u world

And the whole system i= s upgraded! No need for a reboot unless you
recompile your kernel and = wish to run the new one, which is only as
frequent as you desire - nor= mally when some hardware driver is
introduced that you wish to use tha= t isn't in your current kernel tree,
and many drivers are outside the = kernel and so you can recompile them
and autoload the driver without a= reboot.

> sure it is not going to break something else. The te= sting phase cost
> them MUCHO money everytime.

It might make= you feel better to believe that the rest of the world has
to jump through hoops to run a new application, but that si= mply isn't
the case.

> Show me an OS in the world that fulfi= ll your requirements.

XP, OS X, Linux

And hopefully MiNT+Xa= AES very soon.



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