From mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Mon Jul 18 23:56:47 2005 X-Original-To: fnaumann@mail.boerde.de Delivered-To: fnaumann@mail.boerde.de Message-ID: <20050718175202.fxhslynw2xkc4w00@coolrunningconcepts.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:52:02 -0400 From: evan@coolrunningconcepts.com To: mint@fishpool.com Subject: [MiNT] Fwd: Re: Re[2]: GEM boost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc14.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fishpool.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - coolrunningconcepts.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Errors-To: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi X-original-sender: evan@coolrunningconcepts.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-Id: X-List-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at relay.boerde.de X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on relay.boerde.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 tagged_above=-50.5 required=7.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Quoting Maurits van de Kamp : > And the trouble being...? If you don't know - use it longer! >> Last I knew people didn't buy their ST machines for ANY of the little >> projects that exist as RPMs for MiNT. > > I don't know anyone who bought their ST especially for MiNT at all. My point was neither the history nor the future of Atari should be the RPMs on sparemint. They are just ports of Linux apps. There seems to be this mindset to make MiNT into Linux, and Linux is already available, so please DON'T! > That has nothing to do with RPM. It can be used to install Atari-specific > software as well. The software you use ISn't rpm, it's just managed by rpm. Traditionally, Atari software is installed by copying it anywhere you like, and maybe copy the .RSC file as well. It can be moved anywhere at anytime, and you can delete it by simply removing it from your drive - toss it in the trash can ! Thats user-friendly. Now, for RPM to be effective, it has to be universal. Everything has to be RPM, or at least all libraries and files that may have a dependency on any other part of the system. So, if windom becomes a dynamically loaded library distributed via an RPM - which seems to be the direction we're heading - then all GEM programs will have to be installed via RPM. Now, due to changes of the windom library, an upgrade is requried : rpm -ivh mygemapp.rpm so that fails because it says windom is too old ... so they find and download a newer one: rpm -Uvh windom-x.y.rpm This may fail and say that 10 other packages need the old version! And yes, I have seen things exactly like this in the past on redhat systems. And no more deleting something with the thrash can : rpm -e mygemapp.rpm > What's so user-unfriendly about rpm? Is "rpm -Uvh package.rpm" so hard to > type? Since when did Atari users think thats its OK to go to shell prompt to install software? This makes me really sad. >> Now I know why 50% of the Atari users are using MagiC! > > Sure, it's because they hate RPM. (Though my guess is that 99% of those MagiC > users don't know what it is). As long as MiNT is targetted towards Linux users, the traditional ST user won't be interested. ----- End forwarded message -----