From mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Mon Feb 1 06:28:13 2010 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gHRjO4lYang4Tvg/xo9WsHowo4HAsUFXPBf7jGSmOZji/hb0ERQ7yBS2YlpzEAyH; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4B65BC65.3040001@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:22:45 -0600 From: josephus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eero Tamminen CC: mint@lists.fishpool.fi, Jo Even Skarstein Subject: Re: [MiNT] GCC 4.4.3 References: <4B5C752A.5050901@freesbee.fr> <11a6f2b11001311341w331252a6y9506960d59d636d6@mail.gmail.com> <4B65FD72.2080500@online.no> <201002010022.54265.oak@helsinkinet.fi> In-Reply-To: <201002010022.54265.oak@helsinkinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 435374b7a01b22fcd780f4a490ca6956abb457f1b4332f522d48e3b64e7017cf136150059d42abca350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.245.24.197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Errors-to: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi X-original-sender: dogbird@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-Id: X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: Eero Tamminen wrote: >Hi, > >On Monday 01 February 2010, Jo Even Skarstein wrote: > > >>>It is a shame to waste STEem's potential as a based 68000 test unit >>>when so many of us do not have the hardware, and its reputation for >>>compatibility is so high. >>> >>> > >STEem development seems to have stalled on last years. Hatari is nowadays >on par with that even on STE emulation (not just ST) and latest development >version AFAIK surpasses it (only Microwire/LMC1992 emulation is missing, but >that's audio quality issue, not compatibility one). > > > > >>Testing on a particular emulator is only saying something about how >>FreeMiNT works on that emulator. If you want to test it on a ST, you >>need an ST. >> >> > >E.g. Hatari's ST emulation is pretty perfect (unlike TT or Falcon emulation >which is still experimental although many programs run fine). I would be >surprised (but interested to know) if there are issues with something like >MiNT as it doesn't do as dirty tricks[1] as demos do. > >[1] Rely on HW bugs and cycle accurate emulation of them > (which Hatari supports). > >Hatari doesn't have full IKBD chip emulation, it just emulates known IKBD >command sequences, but that's enough to run all programs we know of. > >FDC code doesn't emulate reading the data between sectors, but that's only >used by some game copy protections. > >ACSI emulation has some gaps, but as MiNT relies on HD drivers to take care >of them, I don't see that too much of a problem either nowadays. > > > > >>If something doesn't work when testing on an emulator, how do you know >>if the problem is FreeMiNT or the emulator if you don't have the >>original hardware to compare with? >> >> > >What is hard though, is getting a full MiNT distribution with latest SW that >doesn't rely on Aranym host drivers (fDVI etc) and is set ready for use on >real ST HW (68000). > > > - Eero > > > > > > I do have a recent 68000 machine running 1.04 tos and I am patiently waiting for the fix to my hard drive. which had a power supply failure and the suggestion the scisi controller may have been compromised. all the snow has mangled the process. I will check on the progress today. josephus --