From mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Tue Mar 2 04:04:15 2010 Message-ID: <7E7218016F1C4536ACDDACBB605FE084@mercatus.local> From: "Jo Even Skarstein" To: "mint_list" References: <72454075-6FA5-46CA-A174-A3AE573771A6@gmail.com> <20100301222525.bcb94ec5.mandin.patrice@orange.fr> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [MiNT] Patch for xaloader.prg Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:03:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E5_01CAB9EF.9A634600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi Errors-to: mint-bounce@lists.fishpool.fi X-original-sender: joska@online.no Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-Id: X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: Dette er en melding med flere deler i MIME-format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01CAB9EF.9A634600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00E6_01CAB9EF.9A634600" ------=_NextPart_001_00E6_01CAB9EF.9A634600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our kernel loader is called TOS. What is the point in another one, if = all it does is to select which kernel to load? E.g. if you have a Falcon = with an Afterburner and use this loader to load the correct kernel = depending on which CPU is enabled, you still need another tool to = (de)activate the Afterburner driver and FPU-emulator. Same with a CT60 - = I would be surprised if the kernel is the only thing that differs = between a 030 and 060-setup. My normal setup on the AB and Milan has no = chance to work on a 14Mb 030, so a boot manager is required anyway. I'm not saying that automatic kernel-selection is a bad idea. I'm saying = that it's usefulness is limited when you're already using a = boot-manager. However, a boot-manager that can detect hardware and = (de)activate the proper kernel and kernel-modules automatically would be = very useful=20 Jo Even From: Miro Kropacek=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:31 AM To: Jo Even Skarstein=20 Cc: mint_list=20 Subject: Re: [MiNT] Patch for xaloader.prg Also known as a "boot manager" ;-) I've been using Superboot and XBoot = since 1990 or so, it's one of the most useful tools I have. A open = source boot manager would be great, but it should be able to do more = than selecting kernels. To be useful, it must have all the functionality = of current boot managers, otherwise it would be just another thing to = slow down booting. I think this isn't / shouldn't :) be Peter's goal -- kernel loader is = something totally different from things like XBoot etc... It's true our = world differs a little from Linux one (and therefore comparison with = LILO, Grub etc isn't 100% correct) but I'd prefer to be more kernel = loader (as the last binary in AUTO) than boot manager (as the first = binary in AUTO). --=20 MiKRO / Mystic Bytes http://mikro.atari.org ------=_NextPart_001_00E6_01CAB9EF.9A634600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Our kernel loader is called TOS. What is the = point in=20 another one, if all it does is to select which kernel to load? E.g. if = you have=20 a Falcon with an Afterburner and use this loader to load the correct = kernel=20 depending on which CPU is enabled, you still need another tool to = (de)activate=20 the Afterburner driver and FPU-emulator. Same with a CT60 - I would be = surprised=20 if the kernel is the only thing that differs between a 030 and = 060-setup. My=20 normal setup on the AB and Milan has no chance to work on a 14Mb 030, so = a boot=20 manager is required anyway.
 
I'm not saying that automatic kernel-selection = is a bad=20 idea. I'm saying that it's usefulness is limited when you're already = using a=20 boot-manager. However, a boot-manager that can detect hardware and = (de)activate=20 the proper kernel and kernel-modules automatically would be very useful =
 
Jo Even

Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MiNT] Patch for xaloader.prg

Also known as a "boot manager" ;-) I've been using = Superboot=20 and XBoot since 1990 or so, it's one of the most useful tools I have. = A open=20 source boot manager would be great, but it should be able to do more = than=20 selecting kernels. To be useful, it must have all the functionality of = current=20 boot managers, otherwise it would be just another thing to slow down=20 booting.
I think this isn't / shouldn't :) be Peter's goal -- kernel loader = is=20 something totally different from things like XBoot etc... It's true our = world=20 differs a little from Linux one (and therefore comparison with LILO, = Grub etc=20 isn't 100% correct) but I'd prefer to be more kernel loader (as the last = binary=20 in AUTO) than boot manager (as the first binary in = AUTO).

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